Who is this Karmafish and Why?

Today, I'm going to write about a DailyKos and MyLeftWing participant who goes by the name of "Karmafish." I am only going to write about him because my Truth About Kos Site Meter tells me that people are Googling "Karmafish" and coming to my Truth About Kos blog looking for information about him.

I can only tell you about my contact with this screenname, whoever he is, and you can learn more by Googling for "francislholland" and "Karmafish" at Google and reviewing the nature of my interaction, over a couple of years, with this screenname.

Karmafish said at MyLeftWing, in comments to a blog post called, "If Francis is Right About Markos,"which post was written by Isaiah58:1-12:

I did not come here [MLF] to silence Holland. (9.00 / 2)

I came here to fight with him, to argue with him, to point out as many of his lies and obfuscations and insinuations and exaggerations as I could, because I believe he is dishonest.


Lord of the Karmafishes

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by: Karmafish @ Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 15:34:28 PM CDT

[ Parent ] (Red emphasis added.)

Why would Karmafish want to fight with a person like me, when I played a crucial rule in exposing MAMZ's connection to the CIA, and that connection was then reported as news by at least five dozen blogs (see links in ride sidebar to articles published at other blogs and citing Truth About Kos)? Now there are almost 1.5 MILLION hits at Google for the search "Kos" and "CIA."

Once MAMZ attacked in the pages of the Washington Post the only 2008 presidential candidate who was not a white man (Hillary Clinton) , I found myself on a mission to combat MAMZ' and his minions' attacks on Hillary Clinton and to spread the truth (good and bad) about Hillary Clinton at DailyKos and elsewhere.

That's when I discovered that my proposed activities were not considered a legitimate part of the whitosphere's discussion of the 2008 presidential race. The conversation in the comments between Karmafish and Socrates at this Karmafish blog post is illustrative of the response I got to the investigation and discrediting of MAMZ as a political figure.

When I discovered that leader of the DailyKos "Kossacks" had served at the CIA, the news was disseminated far and wide by bloggers who found this troubling, to say the very least. Karmafish disagreed with me and at least five dozen other bloggers about the importance of whether or not one of the ostensible leaders of the whitosphere is "a CIA operative or not." He said in a post entitled, "If Francis is Right About Markos,"

Whether Markos is a CIA operative or not, it will not keep me from working on progressive causes or making connections with progressive people I meet on his site or anyone elses.

So, what are the implications if Francis is right about Markos. For me there aren't any that could affect my work on progressive causes. "If Francis is Right About Markos,"

So, Karmafish can comfortably continue participating at a blog even if he knows that the owner and strategist is "an operative" of the CIA? How can the Left effective rise up against imperialism and foreign adventures effectuated by the CIA if the man leading the charge against the CIA is actually working for the CIA. The man proposing to "crash the gates" is actually in the employ of the Government that owns the gates. The real question is the degree to which the whitosphere, afrosphere and latinosphere have been infiltrated and manipulated by the federal government.

I really have to admit that I couldn't care less about whoever Karmafish is and I am not going to investigate his motives. His arguments against me at MyLeftWing often invited and prompted me to search for additional avenues in my investigation of the history, politics and family of Markos C. Alberto Moulitsas Zúñiga (whom I call MAMZ because (a) those are his initials, and (b) it is easier to write MAMZ "than" to write "Markos C. Alberto Moulitsas Zúñiga"). If MAMZ's initials are insulting, then I believe that's something his parents should have addressed when they were writing his name on his birth certificate.

With research of documents written in Spanish and available through Salvadoran Government websites, commercial websites and online newspapers, I was able to discover and explain why MAMZ is so adamant that "ZÙÑIGA" is not an appropriate part of his name to be used in referring to him. The initials "MAMZ," in turn, remind the public why it is essential to keep the remember MAMZ's second surname in order to research and understand his background. "The Indictment of Markos C. Alberto Moulitsas ZÚÑIGA by Justice and History (Updated with Additional Information and Counts)"

Yes, Karmafish's arguments against me at MyLeftWing gave me more avenues to follow in my investigation of MAMZ. For example, when Karmafish said that MAMZ did not say he was engaged in "work" at the CIA and only that he was "a trainee," I researched a CIA description of "training" at the CIA which said that trainees "work" alongside experienced CIA personnel. So, if MAMZ was training at the CIA between 2001 and 2003, as is the only conclusion that can be drawn from his own words, then--at least as the CIA defines what "training" means, MAMZ training necessarily included "work."

I am not going to include many links here because they can be found in the column to the right and/or in a distilled investigative piece called, "The Indictment of Markos C. Alberto Moulitsas ZÚÑIGA by Justice and History (Updated with Additional Information and Counts)"

You get the picture. I provided facts and links while Karmafish publicly doubted my "credibility" but could not punch a single hole in the citations I presented, which is why we ended up arguing over the semantic difference between MAMZ's "working" and "training" at the CIA for two years. Others such as Conceptual Guerrilla agreed with the inevitable conclusion that MAMZ worked for the CIA at some or all times between 2001 and 2003, and that it was a logical question to ask whether he continues to work for the CIA. The news spread to all corners of the blogosphere, except the mainstream media blogs, where outing CIA agents remains forbidden.

Since so many whitosphere commenters questioned whether "training" constituted or included "work," I wrote an entire article about this silly question of semantics, posting it here and at MyLeftWing.

The truth of the matter is for the "Jury of the Left" to decide. In my opinion, anyone who trusts a once-undercover CIA trainee (2001 until his confession in 2006) is ineligible to participate on a "Jury of the Left." The fact that people at DailyKos and MyLeftWing want to argue over whether "working" and "training" with the CIA are equally suspect makes these blogs themselves suspect.

It's like asserting that 5-year Al Quaeda trainee is more trustworthy than a five-year Al Queda worker. I don't think most Americans would trust either one, and members of both classes would be subjected to "enhanced questioning."

So, if you want to know how Karmafish is, he is a blogger who hounded Francis L. Holland at DailyKos and then followed Francis L. Holland to MyLeftWing with the admitted purpose of defending Markos C. A. Moulitsas Zúñiga from MAMZ's own admission that the trained at the CIA for two years, while starting a "leftist" blog, and did so undercover. Why would Karmafish want to dedicate himself to arguing against this investigation? Why would Karmafish effectively act as a MAMZ-minion, with seemingly unlimited time to devote to defending MAMZ?

This blog is not about Karmafish and so I will leave those questions to someone else to answer. Perhaps someone will start a Truth About Karmafish" blog. But that someone will not be me. Karmafish is just one of many hundreds or thousands of people in the blog world whose purpose is, in broad terms, to prevent the blogosphere from becoming an organizing tool for "radical" groups and demonstrations of the sort that we saw in the 1960's. That's my theory.



It's obvious that I was reporting on something that was news to the blogosphere--including the whitosphere, the afrosphere and even the latinosphere.

My argument with Karmafish, who really stood as a representative of a lot of other people in the whitosphere centered on this: 'Does it matter that the foremost recognized leader of anti-war leftists in the blogosphere was training and working at the CIA simultaneous with starting his DailyKos blog, and while helping to develop strategies to stop the war in Iraq?'

'Does it matter that MAMZ did not see fit to include this two-year training period in his resume (by talking about it at an obscure interview at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco on June 2, 2006), until fully five years after beginning to sell himself to the left as a "leftist"?'

Or is Karmafish correct that it really doesn't matter whether someone is associated with the CIA and seeks to "crash the gates" of the Democratic Party? The entire affair seems more like the script to a silly movie than the demonstrable reality that is DailyKos (see "The Indictment of Markos C. Alberto Moulitsas ZÚÑIGA by Justice and History (Updated with Additional Information and Counts)") and much of the whitosphere.

Everyone has a right to an opinion, but I simply don't trust anyone who would train at the CIA without telling the public about it, while selling himself to the public as a leftist and an "outsider" candidate for leader of the Left. There are 262 thousand hits at Google that show a keen public interest in the "Moulitsas" and "CIA" queton.

It seems to me, based on all that I have researched about MAMZ, that he has not been forthcoming about what he was doing at the CIA and why, and the relationship between that "work" and his simultaneous decision to start DailyKos. The public is Googling the same question every day, looking for a straight answer.

Karmafish is what I call a MAMZ-minion. MAMZ minions are people who harrass and try like hell to exile anyone who "bashes" or questions MAMZ, his political past, his family's corporations and political participation in Salvador's oligarchy, including the group ANEP. "The Indictment of Markos C. Alberto Moulitsas ZÚÑIGA by Justice and History (Updated with Additional Information and Counts)"



I keep my focus on the big picture. I went to DailyKos in 2006 to argue against the 43-term white male monopoly of the presidency, which initially took the form of advocating for Hillary Clinton, because she was the only candidate who was obviously not a white man. Later, I saw the end of the 43-term white male monopoly of the presidency when Senator Barack Obama was elected president. Whatever Karmafish was trying to accomplish from 2006 until 2008 pales in comparison. Screw him.

I don't know, and I have few facts other than those published here to support my theory, but I believe the US Government will eventually admit that it had more Government-paid bloggers in the whitosphere than there were people who were just there to organize with others and express their opinions. This is a prediction, like my prognostication that the year 2008 would be "time to end the 43-term white male monopoly of the presidency.

The whitosphere squealed like stuck pigs when I told them that neither Al Gore nor John Edwards would make it. I don't expect them to agree today that they are infested with Government agents, but the truth will eventually come out, just as it did about the Co-Intel-Pro campaign to infiltrate, disrupt and jail and/or assassinate members of the Black Panther Party.

I wonder if the truth about the gas chambers in Poland was completely clear worldwide when it was happening? It's clear now!

Correction: Above I stated that the first Karmafish comment excerped here was from a blog written by Karmafish. In fact, as Socrates has pointed out, that blog post was written by Isaiah58:1-12
and then Karmafish (whoever he is)wrote a substantial number of comments pushing a Kos Minion point of view about MAMZ's at least two-year service at the CIA.